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Women and Equalities Committee 

Oral evidence: Equality and the UK asylum process, HC 726

Wednesday 23 February 2022

Ordered by the House of Commons to be published on 23 February 2022

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Members present: Caroline Nokes (Chair); Theo Clarke; Jackie Doyle-Price; Carolyn Harris; Kim Johnson; Anum Qaisar and Bell Ribeiro-Addy.

Questions 73 - 106


I: Dr S Chelvan, Barrister and Head of Immigration and Public Law, 33 Bedford Row; Leila Zadeh, Executive Director, Rainbow Migration and Nuno Ferreira, Professor in Law and leader of the SOGICA project, University of Sussex.

Written evidence from witnesses:

Examination of witnesses

Witnesses: Dr S Chelvan, Leila Zadeh and Nuno Ferreira.

Q73            Chair: Good afternoon, and welcome to this afternoon's evidence session of the Women and Equalities Select Committee and our inquiry into equality and the UK asylum process. Our three witnesses this afternoon are Dr S Chelvan, a barrister and head of immigration and public law at 33 Bedford Row. Leila Zadeh, who is the executive director of Rainbow Migration, and Professor Nuno Ferreira, who is professor in law and leader of the SOGICA project at the University of Sussex.

Can I thank all of our witnesses for being with us this afternoon and ask you to introduce yourselves before I turn to Members of the Committee? Can I start with you, please, Dr Chelvan, and could you indicate how you would like to be referred to?

Dr Chelvan: My formal name is S Chelvan, but everybody knows me as Chelvan. My preferred pronouns are he and him. I am a barrister and head of immigration and public law at 33 Bedford Road chambers.

Leila Zadeh: My name is Leila Zadeh. I am the executive director of Rainbow Migration. We have been supporting LGBTQI+ people through the asylum and immigration system since 1993. Thank you for inviting me today.

Nuno Ferreira: Thank you so much for the invitation. My name is Nuno Ferreira. Besides being a professor of law here at the University of Sussex, I am also a co-director of the Sussex Centre for Research on Human Rights. I have co-led the SOGICA project, which explored the social and legal experiences of individuals claiming asylum on the grounds of sexual orientation and gender identity in Europe, with a focus on the UK, Germany and Italy.

Chair: Thank you very much. The first set of questions are going to come from Anum Qaisar, please.

Q74            Anum Qaisar: Leila, as I understand, the experimental statistics that the Home Office hold do not show the full lived experiences of people, and some of these include but are not limited to: whether sexual orientation was the sole basis for their claim, at what stage of the process sexual orientation was raised as a basis for the claim, and whether the sexual orientation element of the claim had any bearing on the initial decision, appeal or final outcome. Taking this into consideration, how useful are the Home Office experimental statistics in understanding LGBT+ people's experiences and the fairness of the asylum process?

Leila Zadeh: I would like to start by saying that we do commend the Home Office for publishing the statistics that they do. I acknowledge the limitations that you have just mentioned, and I imagine the Home Office themselves would recognise that, but they are a very useful data source to us, and it is very positive that they are making this data available on an annual basis. Despite the fact that they are experimental and there are limitations on what conclusions we can draw from the data, you can still see some trends. For example, it is very helpful to see trends in the numbers of people applying from particular countries or who is having their asylum claim granted. For example, we can see in some of the countries that the grant rates indicate that the Home Office does recognise and protect people from countries where there is recognised persecution, for example, Uganda or Malaysia.

Other data would be valuable; for example, breaking down this data by gender. We know that women can sometimes find it much harder to prove that they have a well-founded fear of persecution. In 2016, the Home Office did respond to a freedom of information request and they gave the breakdown of the data for Kenya by gender in terms of claims based on sexual orientation, but we have not seen any other data breaking down those statistics by gender since that time.

It would also be incredibly useful to see statistics for claims based on gender identity. We would add to that that we find it very important for the Home Office to start monitoring and publishing data on LGBT+ people in immigration detentionincluding the outcomes of their asylum claims if they are made while they are in detentionand to find out what happens at the end. For example, how many of those people are released back into the community or how many people are removed from the country and how long they were detained for.

It goes without saying that we would love to see the accuracy improved. These are experimental statistics; they do not meet the level or the standard that is set out by the Office for National Statistics. I understand that the Home Office say that their new database, Atlas, will record better if people's claims are based on their sexual orientation or gender identity, so I would like to see an improvement in future in the accuracy of that data.

Q75            Anum Qaisar: Thank you, Leila. Dr Chelvan, I am going to come to you and then I will ask Nuno with the same question. The new Scots strategy implemented by the Scottish government has taken considerable time to listen and acknowledge the lives of LGBT+ people and the impact the asylum process had on them. Should the UK Government consider taking a similar approach to this and consider the experiences of LGBT+ refugees and asylum seekers during the planning and implementation of the asylum process, and are there countries that publish a more useful range of data on experiences of LGBT+ people in their asylum processes?

Dr Chelvan: Let us give some historical context. In 2010 there was something called the Fleeing Homophobia project, which was based in the University of VU in Amsterdam, and that is where I first met Professor Ferreira. He was the expert from Portugal and I was there from the UK. It was an analysis of 25 different EU states and their processes for LGBT asylum claims, plus Israel. What we found at that time was that the only countries to provide statistics were Belgium and Norway. Following the Supreme Court judgment in July 2010 there was a shift to the issues of credibility after the UK Lesbian and Gay Immigration Group reported 98% to 99% being refused at decision stage because they could be discreet.

What happened then is there was a lot of lobbying by organisations, including the Immigration Law Practitioners Association for statistics, and the Home Office did work with NGOs and civil society to provide them, with statistics being provided from 2015 onwards. Those statistics are vital to ensure we know what is the issue in relation to certain countries. For example, the most recent statistics were published in August 2021, which showed that 44% of LGB claims were being allowed at decision level, and that 47% of the remaining were being granted on appeal. We know from the Home Office statistics that around 60% of overall LGB claims are granted refugee status. Contrary to the rhetoric in the media, the majority of people who come to the UK are genuine refugees, based on sexual orientation.

On 8 December 2020, the Home Office published the thematic review on sexual orientation. I was appointed the independent reviewer, and those statistics were also very important to show whether these individuals were being refused because they were not believed for being gay or lesbian or bisexual, or whether it was because the country information did not show that they were at risk.

The most recent statistics I refer to, the August 2021 statistics, show that the majority of people who were LGB and claiming asylum were from Pakistan. We know that the Home Office country information accepts that if you are lesbian, gay or bisexual, you will be at risk of persecution on return to Pakistan. We know that the majority of those refusals at first instance were because they were not believed for being lesbian, gay and bisexual. Those statistics are very important in relation to showing what is the failing point in relation to the grant of status. Is it because they are not believed because they are LGB? Is it because the Home Office country information—I am sure we will go into that later on this afternoondoes not show that openly gay people will be at risk of persecution? Or is it the issue regarding the developing of the case law? My report looked at all those statistics to show where the systems were with respect to certain countries.

We know from the Home Office evidence that Pakistan has the greatest number of applicants. There were just over 1,000 LGB applicants in 2020. The second country was Uganda, and that is also with respect to country information which accepts that Ugandan LGBT people are at risk of persecution. Those statistics are important in relation to where in the process points individuals are failing to be able to be granted refugee status.

In relation to trans issues, I provided 10 recommendations as part of my review. Six were fully accepted by the Home Office, two were partially accepted, and two were rejected. One of the ones which were partly accepted is that they accepted the recommendation I made regarding continuation of experimental statistics for LGB, but did not accept the recommendation in relation to statistics of gender identity.

What was frighteningsorry frightening is too strong a term, I apologise, I am a very emotional advocatewhat was interesting in relation to the Home Office response to this Committee is they refer to age and sex as part of the categories in relation to where statistics are provided, but do not include sexual orientation.

We are hoping that there are further updated statistics in August 2022 to cover 2021, but I hope this Committee seeks an undertaking by the Home Office that they do continue to provide the statistics because they provide a fantastic basis to look at where the fracture points are, where the pressure points are in relation to these claims. I apologise; it is a far more detailed response than you may have been expecting.

Alum Qaisar: Thank you for that. That was very thorough indeed. I am going to come to Nuno. Would you like me to repeat the question for you?

Nuno Ferreira: No, that is okay. Thank you so much for the question. I would not have much to add in any case; I will be quick. I would just like to reiterate that it is, indeed, very positive that the Home Office offers these statistics, but they are experimental, as Leila mentioned.

The UK stands positively in the European and international context in terms of offering at least these experimental statistics, but we can do better. I think it is very important that these statistics meet the required standards to become official statistics. It is also very crucial to include gender identity, gender expression and sexual characteristics.

Q76            Anum Qaisar: Thank you so much. In 2019, the Home Office reviewed the way in which LGBTQI+ claims were assessed and developed a new action plan. What is your understanding of what this review found, and what has changed since then?

Leila Zadeh: The review that was undertaken was an internal review by the Home Office, and we were told that this is the reason why that review has not been published, so I can only speak to what I have been told by civil servants within the Home Office.

This review looked at how they deal with claims based on religious grounds or claims that are brought by LGBT+ people. From what I understand from the information that I was given, I would pick out three issues that the review found. One is that the guidance that decision-makers have to use is not user friendly. I know from what is available on the Home Office website that the guidance can often be pages and pages long. I am not going to suggest how it can be made more user friendly because, obviously, it is also important to make sure that decisionmakers have all the necessary information that they need, but this is one of the findings that was reported back to us.

Another one was that decision-makers did find that asylum claims from LGBT+ people could be quite complex, and I do not think that is a surprise. I think a lot of people would agree with that because there is a very tricky issue here, which is that the applicant has to prove to the required standard of proof that they are LGBT+. This is something very difficult for anybody to do and it can be quite difficult, I believe, for an interviewer or a decision-maker to establish.

Another one of the findings was that there needed to be more training on interview skills to address this challenge, and I understand that a training programme was developed to look at this.

There is one final point which stood out to me when we received this report, which was that because of the complexity of this type of asylum claim people may need longer in order to review the information that they have gathered, to analyse it and reflect on it, before they can reach a decision on whether or not to grant asylum to somebody. It appears to me that the productivity targets that are there for decision-makers can be an obstacle to this and can act as a blockage to the time that somebody needs to take to deliberate properly on someone's asylum claim. There is a bit of tension there between a quality, thorough decision-making process but also delivering in a target-driven or an output-focused environment.

I understand that the review also identified that an improvement would be to try to keep the decision closer to the interview—in other words, having the person who interviews the asylum claimant working in the same team as the person who makes the decision on the asylum claim. I understand that the Home Office was trying to increasingly use this model, but I do not know if that is still in operation.

Anum Qaisar: Thank you so much, Leila. Thank you, Chair.

Q77            Chair: Thank you very much. Can I turn to Nuno, please? You have given us evidence that there is an overreliance on membership of a particular social group ground for sexual orientation-based claims. What do you think some of the challenges and consequences are of that reliance?

Nuno Ferreira: Thank you so much for the question, Caroline. Yes, we do believe on the basis of the experiences of our UK participants that the moment the Home Office realises the claimant is a member of a sexual orientation or a gender identity minority then they simply focus on the particular social group ground. I think that that leaves out lots of experiences from our participants. This ignores that members of SOGIE minorities in need of international protection may have a valid refugee claim on grounds of race, religion, nationality and political opinion. It also disregards the overall experiences and journeys of refugees.

I would like to give some examples from our participants because it is very important to bring into this discussion the experiences of those who actually undergo this process. On the basis of interviews we carried out with participants in the UK, we saw that the Home Office really focuses on the particular social group ground and leaves other grounds aside. For example, Miria from Uganda, was a political activist, but that was disregarded by the Home Office. Ibrahim from Egypt was also an activist and he had the same experience. Ximena from Guatemala was a human rights activist. Again, she was only seen as a trans person. And Amber from Malaysia was not only a political activist, she was also perceived as a non-Muslim, and she suffered persecution on those grounds but, again, religion was not considered.

Our point is that it is not because a claimant is a member of a SOGIE minority that they should automatically just be boxed into the particular social group category. We recommend that the Home Office should more proactively consider whether other asylum grounds could offer useful avenues for protection for members of SOGIE minorities. This would also recognise the multiple and intersecting grounds for claiming protection and the many factors and identities that are the basis for persecution. This could also enhance the likelihood of members of SOGIE minorities who also need to do justice to their political activism obtaining international protection. Our recommendation is that decisionmakers should really make an effort to consider the whole experience and the whole journey of these claimants and do justice to their political activism.

Q78            Chair: Do you think there is any danger that considering a broader range of grounds for asylum to be granted could actually lengthen the time taken?

Nuno Ferreira: It could what, sorry?

Chair: It could lengthen the time taken for a decisionmaker to come to a decision. The point I am trying to make is that if somebody is deemed to be at risk of persecution because of their sexual orientation in Uganda, Pakistan, wherever, could a decision be made more quickly if it was done exclusively on one ground? I think Chelvan would like to come in on that as well.

Nuno Ferreira: I do not believe that would in any way make the procedure more complex or lengthier. I think it would simply do justice to the actual journey and life and identities of these claimants, and the same procedural steps would have to be taken anyway. It is a matter of exploring a few more issues during the interview and considering them in the decision. I do not think it would have any negative impact in the procedure or the length of the procedure.

Dr Chelvan: I agree with Nuno in relation to the length of the decision-making. It should not in any way be delayed because of the various intersections between the five Convention reasonsrace, religion, nationality, particular social group and political opinion. In the 20 years I have been practising, there has never been an issue with raising more than one ground. The reason why there is a safe space for LGBT+ refugees from a particular social group goes to one of the core issues regarding sexual or gender identity and the issue of difference, hence the persecution.

Let me give you two examples: Aderonke Apata was a Nigerian lesbian activist client of mine. It took 13 years for the Home Office to accept that she was a lesbian. She was also a political activist. There was no issue in relation to conjoining her risk elements based on her sexual identity and also in relation to political activism. Clients I have, for example, from Russia who are HIV positive, you have the Convention reason or particular social group, but you have the intersections between sexual identity, the persecution of Russia's gay men, but also disability.

I think there is also a duty on legal representatives, and Leila said this at the beginning. It is a complex area, but it also needs expert legal representation because in the last 20 years a lot of my clients have gone through the system not only once, but twice or even three times.

I gave the example of Aderonke Apata. If the Home Office had had their way, she would have been deported in 2012. She had to draft her own grounds for a stay of removal in 2012 because legal aid lawyers told her she had no claim for asylum. It was only after the Court of Appeal remitted her case in 2016 that the case went back through the process, and on 1 August 2017 she was granted asylum. If it was a one-stop notice and a one-process appeal, Aderonke Apata would now be in Nigeria facing persecution. We have to realise that.

When it comes to decision-making by the UK for refugee claims, it is not only the Home Office, it is also our independent judges and our independent courts and tribunals. Also, I am part of the system as a lawyer. We are all part of the UK decision-making process to ensure that those who have a genuine, well-founded fear of persecution get refugee status. It is about all those little pieces of the jigsaw working together.

I have been on the Home Office National Asylum Stakeholder Forum equality subgroup since the end of 2015, Rainbow Migration are also members and Nuno talked about the Home Office, so that is the forum. The Home Office at decision-making level, at management level, is receptive, and I know we will be talking about that in relation to credibility assessment as well. It is about having those forums of conversations.

We do not always get a positive answer and when we fail at a policy level, then my three favourite words are litigation, litigation, litigation, because the courts have been developing the law through our common law system to ensure refugee protection. When it comes to intersectionality within Convention reasons or crossing overlike a Venn diagramI do not think there is a policy resistance to that. I think it requires those who represent refugees to be able to understand and appreciate the various Convention reasons and refugee law.

Q79            Chair: I am going to go back to the case you highlighted of the Nigerian lady that it took the Home Office 13 years to agree that she was a lesbian. Surely, if she was also a political activist it would have been much better to just grant asylum, give her refugee status, on those grounds than to waste her time and everybody else's time arguing about whether she was a lesbian or not. Or am I being too simplistic?

Dr Chelvan: The High Court in 2015 was given submissions by the Home Office counsel that this was all just make believe, it was just a show to be able to get asylum. We were able to establish her sexual identity. As someone who is a lawyer, somebody who works in policy and also in academia, I have no issue in saying that it is not a bad thing for particular social groups. In 1999, that is how48 years after the Refugee Convention came to bewomen, through the House of Lords cases with Shah and Islam v SSHD, came within refugee protection and, in what I call the obiter breadcrumbs from the judicial table, Lord Stone said, “Well, also these homosexuals have an innate and immutable characteristic, so it provided a fix to the historical injustice.

It is important to understand that the court, through the case law, has accepted that these are characteristics which cannot change or cannot be required to change, so it gives a greater understanding of what it is to be a human with sexual or gender identity. The concern is that if you only look at one elementAderonke Apata is a clear example—there is always, “This is a bogus claim; this is all a show; it is all a media circus. You can look at the judgment of the Deputy High Court Judge Bowes QC in relation to that. Those were the submissions which were used, This is all a farce. For the first time Aderonke Apata was able to tell her story through the Difference, Stigma, Shame and Harm model, which is a model I created to give the refugee an ability to talk about their emotional journey. The end of her journey was 1 August 2017 when the Home Office said: “We accept you are a lesbian.” She had not suddenly become a lesbian but, “We accept that you have discharged the burden of proof on you to prove that you are a refugee.”

Q80            Chair: You have been quite critical of the Home Office's Country Policy and Information Team, describing it as not fit for purpose. Is it the team that is not fit for purpose or the policy?

Dr Chelvan: Wow. I am going to be very careful in my answer. I am going to give you three examples. The first example is Sri Lanka on LGBT claims. I was born in Sri Lanka; I have a link, I am a first-generation immigrant. In November 2016, the Sri Lankan Supreme Court, in a case called Galabada, handed down a judgment which said that British laws were clearly in force; they were active. They changed them in 1995 because there was a constitutional challenge saying, “It is discriminatory; this only deals with men, not women. In 1995 the Sri Lankan Parliament said, “We can't be discriminatory; we have to now include lesbians.” They changed the legislation to also criminalise lesbians.

The Sri Lankan Supreme Court said in the case of two gay men who were prosecuted and sentenced in 2003 to 12 months for gross indecency. They said, “Look, this is very much part of our law. We know that England and Wales have got rid of this legislationSexual Offences Act 2003but were Sri Lanka. If an individual comes before a magistrate in relation to this charge, instead of 12 months they increased it to 24 months with a five-year suspension if it is a first-time offence for the opportunity to reform.

What do you and I understand an opportunity to reform to mean? Conversion therapy. I am glad I can put it on the record that, Chair, you have nodded your head in agreement and so have several other members. That is what I understood by that. Therefore, in late 2016-17 in my guise of membership of the NAS Equality subgroup, I provided this judgment saying, Look, the Home Office position is in line with what is called country guidance cases. The upper tribunal provide these judgments called determinative or country guidance cases. They said there had been no prosecutions in Sri Lanka since 1948. We had evidence there had been at least two in 2003.

I gave this to the Home Office and said, Look, you've got to change your country information, and the country guidance case cannot continue. In July 2017, the Home Office published their updated report; it did not refer to the Galabada judgment. In October 2018, they updated their country policy information note again. They omitted the suspension for five years for an opportunity to reform. Why did they do that?

Then in October 2020, they updated their country policy information note but included the five-year suspension for an opportunity to reform, but they said, We have no evidence of conversion therapy.”[1] On 30 November 2021, that is the most recent CIPN report, we now know from evidence from Human Rights Watch and the Sri Lankan media that in October 2020 judicial officers were conductingand I give a trigger warning before I say this—forced anal and vaginal examinations of those suspected to be gay who had been prosecuted in Sri Lanka.

The Home Office position on 30 November 2021 is these are isolated incidents. However, the Foreign and Commonwealth Office in July 2021 published a report regarding countries of concern with respect to human rights violations. In that report, which predates the most recent report, they quoted from the justice minister in Sri Lanka, who said, “We must stop this practice.” Not isolated incidents.

The question is why is the country policy information team publishing reports which areand I put this in the broadest sense I can—inaccurate and misleading? Who is driving the pressure for the Home Office to publish evidence, country background material, to decide cases of LGBT+ Sri Lankans which chooses to omit a Supreme Court judgment of Sri Lanka when they had it in their possession before the July 2017 publication, and then chooses to selectively edit sections?

Compare and contrast the Indian country policy information note. On 6 September 2018, the Indian Supreme Court handed down the judgment of Johar & Ors v Union of India which struck down criminalisation in Sri Lanka.[2] Within a month, the Home Office country policy information team had updated the report for India. How is it that we can update the report for India within a month for a positive change to country conditions, therefore, reducing the risk to LGBT+ individuals from India, but we take years to provide accurate information regarding Sri Lanka? The question this Committee needs to ask itself, and it is not a question I can ask, is what is causing the drive?

I will give you another example, Bangladesh. A client of mine, a lesbian from Bangladesh, AN (Bangladesh). September we were before the upper tribunal. The previous year my junior, Dr Tariq Mahmood at 33 Bedford Row, took a case to the Court of Appeal regarding our client, a lesbian from Bangladesh. The Home Office accepted remittal to the upper tribunal on the basis that the starting point for deciding the risk to open lesbians in Bangladesh will have to be the Home Office April 2020 country and policy information note on Bangladesh.

Their strategic litigation and policy position is that whilst they accepted that gay men in Bangladesh are at risk of persecution because of the murders of the two journalists in 2016, their position is that lesbians from Bangladesh are not at risk. Thousands of pounds have been spent on legal aid in litigating that case but, fortunately for my client, a couple of months before the September hearing, the Home Office granted asylum to her girlfriend from Bangladesh. We pointed out, Wait a minute. You say that lesbians from Bangladesh aren’t at risk. However, you've granted my girlfriend, who is a lesbian from Bangladesh, refugee status.” They folded. They conceded and granted appeal. The Home Office CPIT report was used as a policy and litigation position to say that lesbians are not at risk where we could show the Home Office themselves were granting lesbians from Bangladesh refugee status.

Another example, Kenneth Macharia

Q81            Chair: I am sorry, but we have had a lot of examples. Can I just pick you up on a specific point? What could make it better? Is it a lack of resources? Or is wilfully ignoring judgments that they are aware of?

Dr Chelvan: I would say structural change. There needs to be a change in the culture in the country policy information team. This has not been going on for one or two years but many years, and there has to be a change in the culture because it

Q82            Chair: Is structural change cultural change? I would argue not.

Dr Chelvan: I would say it is the first step.

Q83            Chair: Thank you. Can I turn to Leila first? Could you give us an indication of how you think asylum NGOs could assist the Home Office in its country notes?

Leila Zadeh: The country policy information team has said several times that they would like to work with NGOs to receive information on countries of origin. However, speaking for ourselves as Rainbow Migration, we are not the experts to be able to provide the kind of evidence they need on the situation on the ground around the world. Where we could engage with the Country Policy Information Team is on the policy that stems from what is happening on the ground. In that sense, I do think that the Home Office could engage more with NGOs in terms of country of origin policy and how that affects decisions on asylum claims.

Chair: Thank you. Nuno, did you have anything you wanted to add to that?

Nuno Ferreira: Just a couple of quick points. From the interviews we carried out and our analysis, there were two things that stood out in terms of country of origin information in the UK. The first one is in terms of the content of these documents, which very often homogenise sexual orientation and gender identity minorities. We think it is very important that the Home Office keeps working on considering the different experiences that these minorities have in their countries of origin. Not just considering them as a single group or just focusing on the experiences of gay men, but also specifically considering the experiences of lesbian women, trans people, intersex people, because the experiences of all these subgroups can be quite different.

Our second point here would be that it is not just about the quality of the country of origin information, it is how it is applied. We realise very often decision-makers have the right country of origin information before them, but they just apply it in a very simplistic way. It is important that decision-

makers are trained better and are offered conditions to apply the country of origin information they have in a more sophisticated and more careful way to make sure that they do not just take out the headline of the country of origin information and apply it in a simplistic way.

Q84            Chair: Using the example that Chelvan gave us from Bangladesh, there is also a case for them to use it in a consistent way?

Nuno Ferreira: Yes, definitely.

Q85            Chair: You found that elements of discretion reasoning persist in some of the European asylum authorities. Is that the same in the UK Home Office?

Nuno Ferreira: Yes, very much. We would probably say that the UK is, unfortunately, the worst example in terms of retaining discretion logic across Europe because, of course, the Supreme Court decision in HJ (Iran) v SSHD in 2010 clearly retained an element of discretion allowing claimants to be sent back if they choose to conceal their sexuality. Simply, the previous discretion requirement was transformed into a new and cumbersome test. This decision has been criticised on several grounds. It has been found to be unreasonable, discriminatory, unworkableeven by the UK Equality and Human Rights Commissionand it runs against UNHCR guidance, which is also important to note.

We are effectively asking sexual orientation asylum claimants in the UK to overcome an additional hurdle because they need to prove that if they were sent back, they would not be discreet for any reason. It is clearly discriminatory.

We also need to consider that SOGIE claimants often escape their home countries after having gone to great lengths to hide their sexuality and were not successful, so this discretion reasoning is very often quite theoretical. Still, it is a dangerous policy because it assumes that decision-makers can establish the future behaviour of an individual and ignore the fact that choosing whether or not to disclose their sexual orientation if they are sent back to their countries of origin, is rarely within their control. We think that retaining this element of discretion also made decision-makers increasingly focus on whether claimants are really members of a sexual orientation minority and how open they are, because decision-makers now need to assess how open they would be if they were sent back to countries of origin.

Our participants were very critical of this because they found that it is not realistic to expect sexual orientation claimants to have the financial resources or time or energy to have a social life, to go out to LGBT venues, to attend social groups. Several of our participants felt the pressure to be out and open and have this sort of evidence for the Home Office so that they could show that they would not be discreet if they were returned to their countries of origin, but it is really unrealistic in their circumstances.

We saw several times evidence of the Home Office pushing this discretion reasoning in upper tier tribunal observations we did in London. Even claimants who are clearly open about their sexuality are expected by some judges to change their conduct, become more discreet. Again, in an upper tier tribunal observation in London, we observed a judge expecting a lesbian woman to act less mannish if she were sent back to her country of origin.

This discretion element still affects lesbian and bisexual women in particular as well because a lawyer was very clear about the fact that lesbians and bisexual women are more likely to be told that if they were sent back to their countries of origin, they would be discreet for reasons not related to persecution. Our recommendation here is very clear. The decision in HJ (Iran) needs to be challenged. We cannot retain this element of discretion because it is very negative and discriminatory for sexual orientation asylum claimants. We need to also make sure that the Home Office policy eliminates all traces of discretion logic.

Q86            Chair: I will come to you in a moment, Leila. I just wanted to ask Chelvan whether there was anything he wanted to add specifically on that case?

Dr Chelvan: It is not a policy; it is a legal test. The Home Office cannot be blamed for following something which is still, in law, a legal test. So HJ (Iran) says in the penultimate limb on conduct, “If a person only chooses to be discreet because of personal social pressure, they're not a refugee. If there is a material reason for discretion, for example, “I don't want Mum and Dad to know, and the neighbours will call me names, but the mob will kill me,” then you are still a refugee. It is going to be litigation rather than a policy development because the Home Office has to follow the law of the land under the case law.

Nuno was talking about lesbian and bisexual women. In SW Jamaica v SSHD, a case which postdates HJ (Iran) in 2011, it is not about keeping quiet because you do not prove that you are straight to the potential persecutor by proving that you are not gay; it is actually by pretending that you are straight. For lesbian and bisexual women in Jamaica, to give an example, the country evidence says that womenthat is all womenbetween the ages of 16 and 60 in Jamaica are supposed to be sexually receptive to the potential persecutory male. You can only evade such harm if you have a male partner, have children or recent evidence of widowhood. If you then reject a potential persecutor and you are not able to prove straight, you are at real risk of curative rape or murder. That is the country guidance case here in the UK since June 2011.

It is not about whether you are discreet, but can you successfully prove that you are straight enough to the potential persecutor? I do a lot of strategic litigation. My mother always used to sayGod says yes, no or later”—I always believe that is the same response from the Court of Appeal. In 2017 in the case in the Court of Appeal called LC (Albania) v SSHD, the position there was that they tried to change the discretion tests by saying, “Look, it's not an automatic refusal, the majority of people will succeed”. As Nuno was trying to emphasise, there is an over-concentration on how an individual will behave here, how open they are here. That is not the test and is not what the Supreme Court said. It is about how would an individual behave on return. Madam, if I may, if I point a gun towards you, would you run towards the gun or away from the gun?

Chair: Away.

Dr Chelvan: Away from the gun, that is the majority, it is fight or flight. But in SW (Jamaica) the tribunal accepted that she would be open about her lesbianism, even though there is evidence of curative rape or murder.But the majority of people will not be the gay martyr”, are the words which Lord Roger used in HJ (Iran), because we will choose flight—the majority of us will be discreet.

The issue is, is discretion successful? No, because to be successfully discreet to the potential persecutor, you will have to engage in same sex conduct or identity conduct to be able to evade, which in itself is persecutory.[3] To summarise, because we do not have a three-hour lecture here, what we need is to get rid of the discretion test. This is not to do with the Home Office, or to do with the courts. We have to be able to say that this is not a realistic test, because the majority of people will have to employ conduct which is against their immutable characteristic. What that penultimate limb of the HJ test gives is a charter to give the adverse credibility finding. We accept that you are gay. The four limbs are, are you gay or perceived to be gay? That is the first limb of HJ (Iran), which is subjective: the individual has to prove it. The second limb is, do openly gay people have a well-founded fear of persecution? It has nothing to do with what I say, it has got to do with those who are the gay martyrs, that tiny minority in the bigger population, what happens to them if they are found to be gay? That is why the country policy information notes are so vital. It has nothing to do with my narrative. The third limb is, am I going to be open on return? If I am then I am a refugee. The fourth limb is, if I choose voluntary discretion, is the only reason because of personal social choice? Then I am not a refugee, but it is a material reason.

We can see how the test evolves and it is not only for LGBT claims. The HJ (Iran) test is for all refugee protection claims in the UK. That is why it is important to get rid of the discretion test, because the biggest hurdle for the individual, having made their physical and emotional journey to come to the UK to claim asylum, is to prove that they are gay or perceived to be gay. To then be refused asylum on the basis that you will be voluntarily discreet only because of social personal reasons, means that individual goes back to their country of origin and does not lie for a day or a week or a month, but has to lie for the rest of their lives about who we accept they naturally are. That is the reality of the discretion test. It is not an issue of hiding, it is an issue of lying.

Chair: Thank you. Leila.

Leila Zadeh: One of the problems we have with the current discretion test that Chelvan explained is that it is not currently applied correctly a lot of the time. If it were applied correctly, many more people would rightly be granted refugee status. I would like to refer to the historic context to this, which is that this Supreme Court judgement came about because prior to that, people were being refused asylum on the basis ofWell, nobody will know that you are LGB, or nobody will know that you are gay, so it is fine for you to go back because nobody knows anyway”. Chelvan has already talked through some of the problems with that assumption, but that is the context from which the current case law evolved. Whatever happens in future, we need to make sure that we do not end up in another situation where, just because nobody knows that you are LGB, then it is okay for you to go back to your country of origin.

Also within the current model we have there is something that the Home Office or the courts could improve in their application of the model to their decision making, which is that if somebody is hiding their sexual orientationor if they say they would hide it if they were returned to their country of originit is extremely likely they would do so to avoid persecution, because that is why they are applying for asylum in the first place. For example, an Iranian man here might choose not to tell many people that he is gay because he wants to make friends and he is worried how people might react. But if the same man went back to Iran, I think it is extremely unlikely that he would say, “No, the fact that there is a death penalty in Iran has absolutely nothing to do with the reason why I am concealing this”. But in most cases people will say that they would conceal, and most people would be doing so because of their fear of persecution. The Home Office could include a strong presumption that, if they accept that somebody is LGB, and if they accept that there is risk of persecution of LGB people in their country of origin, then there could be a strong presumption that that person should be granted asylum.

Q87            Carolyn Harris: This is for Nuno and for Chelvan. In the previous session we heard that other countries, including Switzerland and the Netherlands, have far more effective legal representation for claimants. What is the difference between their system, and what could we actually benefit from, by having that system in this country?

Dr Chelvan: Increase the legal aid budget. It is all about legal representation. A couple of years ago there were pilot projects, specifically in Nottingham in the Midlands. One law firm with which we were working where lawyers were very much at the interface, touching hands in effect, with the Home Office pre-decision. There was a lot of correspondence between the legal representative and the Home Office pre our decision. What happened? A number of decisions got granted positively for asylum. Now, that is the elephant in the room, isn’t it? I am sure we will be talking about the Nationality and Borders Bill. What is the problem? Too many people are getting asylum. Too many people are being allowed to stay here in this country. It goes against our manifesto promises to keep control of our borders, because we in the UK accept that there are people who come across our borders who need safety and sanctuary.

I listened to the evidence on 26 January in the first session, and where Switzerland and Norway, have those examples where lawyers are brought in early; great. Find the budget. Then also explain to certain politicians why we should be ensuring that those who positively need asylum get asylum, because they are provided with access to proper representation and proper decision making.

Nuno Ferreira: We agree that it is a matter of funding, and also other factors. These can be quite complex asylum claims requiring legal representatives who have experience and expertise in this area. Participants in our fieldwork expressed great difficulties accessing good legal advice. People in detention centres, reception centres or remote accommodation are particularly likely to have difficulties. One problem is the funding of course, as Chelvan mentioned, and problems arise because of the low level of funding available to solicitors. Solicitors working under a legal aid contract generally say that it is not viable to carry out their work, so they just abandon their legal aid contracts.

It also seems that very few claimants receive legal advice prior to the screening interview, and that can have a dramatic negative effect in the success of the claim. Although lawyers are entitled to attend the main interview, this is usually not covered by legal aid, and in practice lawyers have a tendency to only attend if privately funded. Even when they do attend, the lawyer's role in the interview may be quite limited. All of this compounds to have a negative effect on the success of the claim.

We have several examples from our refugee participants that I think it is important to highlight, because these are real people suffering the consequences of these policies. For example, Zaro from Pakistan told us that she tried to call her solicitor weekly and was always ignored. Maria from Uganda was asked by her lawyer not to mention sexuality as the real ground for requesting asylum, although she understood that this entailed a serious risk for the assessment of her claim. Another claimant we interviewed discovered after two years that her first claim, which was supposed to have been submitted, had never been filed because the lawyer doubted her client’s sexuality. Also, Amadin from Benin initially had a lawyer who prepared a country report on Nigeria instead of Benin, because the lawyer got confused about the two countries. To make it worse the lawyer then dropped the case, which obviously had a negative impact on the case.

The substantial amount of money that good legal representation costs is very problematic. In this respect we have got another example. Amber from Malaysia was pushed to choose a specific firm for its expertise with Malaysian claimants, and her legal fees amounted to £3,000 which is of course unrealistic for asylum claimants who cannot even work in the UK. From the perspective of those working under legal aid contracts, this is not interesting, realistic or viable. Several lawyers have told us that they are just not interested in this type of work because it does not pay. It is also very difficult to obtain legal aid to fund country of origin reports, psychiatric reports, medical reports, which of course has a further negative impact on the claims. Some claimants only manage to proceed with their claims with the support of NGOs like Rainbow Migration here, or representing themselves, which is far from ideal because they do not have the necessary knowledge.

Our recommendation in this respect is obviously that the Government needs to invest a lot more in legal aid. Not just as an ethical requirement, but also in the interest of the efficiency of the whole system. Legal representation ideally should be not only available but also compulsory and supported through legal aid from the start of the asylum process; not only at the appeal level, but also at the level of the Home Office.

Q88            Carolyn Harris: How common is it for applicants not to have had legal representation before their screening interview?

Nuno Ferreira: I am not aware of precise statistics on thismaybe Leila or Chelvan will bebut I would assume it is the great majority that will not have legal support by then.

Dr Chelvan: Even if you do have legal representation, unless you are very encyclopaedic about the funding schedules with the Legal Aid Agency, the funding is very small so therefore the amount of time and preparation in relation to preparing the individual before not only the interview but even the decision, is limited. What happens is, those lawyers who work in this area are passionate about working in this area. The amount of pro bono work which the Government relies on by legal aid lawyers doing this work because we are committed to ensuring our clients are not returned to countries of persecution, is massive—impossible to estimate. Some lawyers are stepping in, but the point here is that we need more funding. I am more than aware that this is not the right committee to make those representations to, and I have made those representations to other committees already.

Q89            Carolyn Harris: This is for you again, Dr Chelvan. The Home Office Policy Instruction on Sexual Orientation Claims follows key elements of your widely endorsed Difference, Stigma, Shame and Harm model. But you have said there is a gap between policy guidance and application by the Home Office—can you explain this gap?

Dr Chelvan: Human error and frailty. There was a lot of work done, because what happened was in February 2013 the Observer reported the interview of a bisexual asylum seeker at a removal centre—a trigger warning here again. The applicant was asked,What attracts you about a man's backside? Did you ejaculate in him, or did he ejaculate in you? Did you wear a condom?”. All these sorts of questions. That happened at the end of 2012, it was reported in February 2013. Theresa May, the then Home Secretary, ordered an urgent review by the Independent Chief Inspector, John Vine, into the handling of LGB claims. That had two parallels, the Independent Chief Inspector and the Home Office Internal LGBT Advisor Committee, which I co-founded with Ian Cheeseman and other NGOs, including what was then the UK Lesbian and Gay Immigration Group.

I created the model in 2011 because when we are looking at the issues around the standard of proof, the individual can tell their story if they are provided a safe space and the time to be able to tell their story. They have to trust the person they are speaking to. I created the model Difference, Stigma, Shame and Harm as four composite areas in relation to exploring the narrative, where the only evidence the individual has to rely on is their statement, is their story. Because there is no gay membership card. I do not have a gay recognition certificate.

When I was an undergraduate in SouthamptonChair, I know you are a Southampton MP, but I did my undergraduate degree at Southampton—there was a joke, which is, “What is the difference between a straight man and a gay man? Two pints